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Posts: 67 Join date: 2007-12-05
 | Subject: did you ever wonder... Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:44 am | |
| why do we turn around and go "oooh" when we hear a bang behind us? |
|  | | Lin Ji
Posts: 11 Join date: 2008-08-07 Location: Brunei Darussalam
 | Subject: Because we are curious creatures! Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:20 am | |
| Indeed we are...no? When things are made to draw our attention, it is sometimes very hard to ignore them. We are curious of what that/those thing(s) is/are. Some things are made to stand out from the rest, hence increases the possibility of us being drawn to them - react to them. Similarly, if a BANG suddenly is made (especially during lectures when the room should be quite silent) then we not only would turn and go "oohh" but some of us might be startled by it.  haha. We respond to our senses. We receive a BANG sound with our ears - we respond by turning around subconsciously. haha. |
|  | | Admin Admin
Posts: 67 Join date: 2007-12-05
 | Subject: Re: did you ever wonder... Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:18 pm | |
| i find it very easy to ignore some things (like TV advertisements) intended to attract my attention - so long as i have a mute button handy.
your answer is quite good, but it doesn't fully explain why a loud bang should startle you. nor why it should make you go "oooh!".
let me give you a clue: think about Darwin's theory of natural selection....
you're right about the subconscious being involved - but what is the subconscious??
PS just so we don't forget, this has something to do with computing! |
|  | | Lin Ji
Posts: 11 Join date: 2008-08-07 Location: Brunei Darussalam
 | Subject: did you ever wonder... Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:18 pm | |
| Aahh... I am not sure how many replies I could make, haha... but I'll add just this one more. I guess a loud bang startle us because we were not expecting it - caught us by surprise and we may react by going "ooh", turn around subconsciously or we jump up a little off our chair. If we relate this to computing, our ears would act like the microphone attached to the computer as an input device. If we speak into the microphone, our voice would be the metaphor (of the BANG). The microphone receives it and sends it to the computer - our ears receive the BANG and sends that information to our brain. If our brain is "programmed" to react by going "ooh" then that is exactly how we will react. If the computer is programmed to record and save then it'll do exactly that. hmmms... I'm not sure how right I am in this but if subconscious reaction means reacting without giving much thought due to constant practice that results in doing a thing almost naturally - then would it not also mean that the computer could react "subconsciously" if it is made to do this one particular task too many times? haha. Oh well.. =) |
|  | | paperclipp
Posts: 2 Join date: 2008-08-12
 | Subject: Re: did you ever wonder... Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:29 pm | |
| " As many more individuals of each species are born than can possibly survive; and as, consequently, there is a frequently recurring struggle for existence, it follows that any being, if it vary however slightly in any manner profitable to itself, under the complex and sometimes varying conditions of life, will have a better chance of surviving, and thus be naturally selected. From the strong principle of inheritance, any selected variety will tend to propagate its new and modified form. "
^ is that the theory youre talking about ?
- well, i dont think all of us turned around and made the 'oooh' sound. my answer would be that, because we are programmed differently. just like how computers are programmed, the only difference is that, we humans are not programmed by floppy or cds but we're programmed either by the environment, the people, our attitude and such [i think..] for like when we are in a quiet environment, we tend to react 'subconciously' - like what LinJi mentioned, to the any noise made. we most probably would react to it due to curiosity. Its like a program installed into/onto our brain/body or something, but it doesnt apply only in quiet situation though. or uhh, we just wanna know whats happening around us, like adapting to an environment or something.. we needa relate this with computing right.. ehm, i would say for like.. if your computer doesnt have language pack for japanese language, i dont think it can read japanese characters. for those who didnt turn back/look around, i guess they are sleeping or just not mentally awake.  |
|  | | shenny
Posts: 2 Join date: 2008-08-20
 | Subject: Re: did you ever wonder... Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:16 pm | |
| uh, I'd answer to the question you posted above, because it's the ''curiousity'' in everyone of us. When one hears a loud sound behind us, moreover in an almost quiet place.. it is almost impossible to ignore. Wells, unless like what paperclipp said above.. unless they were sleeping or not mentally awake. Haha.. Now, to relate this answer to computing.. I will say.. the loud bang was the act that send messages to our ears' neurons which then transmit the information to our brain and then subconsciously our brain send signals to our central nervous systems which process that information and send the response to our body which result our body to turn back to where the loud bang came from and our mouth to go 'woooo' ... hmm, now why do I think my answer is not at all related to computing..  it's more biology now.. but the process of we going 'woooo' was more or less done ''computerly'' in ourselves eyy..  |
|  | | Admin Admin
Posts: 67 Join date: 2007-12-05
 | Subject: Re: did you ever wonder... Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:25 am | |
| so far so good,... however,
1. whilst we naturally look for differences between people, in order to understand how our minds work, we need to think about the things we have in common. the very basic things.
2. we are all members of the same species, which - according to Darwin's theory of Natural Selection - means, as our species has survived thus far, we must have inherited certain capabilities which help us to survive. probably the most famous animal to have gone extinct in recent times is the Dodo. why/how did the Dodo become extinct? 3. think about all the noises that you hear behind you from time to time. what kinds of noise make you turn around?
4. what's the difference between biology and computing?
5. what do biology and computing have in common?
when i ask you a question in class, or here, it's not because i want your opinion. i do it to encourage you to look around to find out what science has discovered about that question. i do it to help you learn new (to you) things. i look forward to reading what you have found out about the original question by looking for information about the other (sub-) questions above.
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|  | | renfoo
Posts: 2 Join date: 2008-08-23
 | Subject: Re: did you ever wonder... Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:37 am | |
|  The reason we turn back or towards the source of the sound when we hear a loud bang is because if our instincts. We tend to associate those sounds with danger. They could be explosions  , gunfire or something heavy might have fallen. This is a vital instinct as it could help save our lives.  Applying Darwin's theory of natural selection, organisms that do not have this trait will die because they are unable to save themselves from dangerous situations since they do not respond to the odd sounds which could serve as an early warning. Overtime the number of species in a population with that desirable trait increases until eventually all the individuals in that species have that trait. This is exactly what happened to humans. In the end you have a group of people consisting of mostly those that are curious about the sound and respond to it by searching for the source.  The same natural selection is still happening now. For example, if there is a landslide and there are 2 kinds of people living in a house that is about to be destroyed by the landslide. The first being the type of people who respond to odd sounds by seeking out their source and the other being the type that ignores the sound. Naturally, the one that seeks out the source of that sound will discover the dangerous situation he is in  and thus escape while the other one will remain in the house and die.  As for the "ooo…" sound, that is a psychological thing. It varies from one person to another. Some people might say "ooo…," when they know where the sound originates from. Some might say "aaa…" and there might even be those that say "O.. I See…"  Relating this to a computer, the computer is constantly monitoring for an input. Once the input is attained, it will then process the input and determine what the output should be. After that, the output device will generate the desired output as commanded by the computer's processor.  Using a person as an analogy, we hear the loud sound with our ears. The ear converts the input into an information understandable by the brain and passes it to the brain for processing. After the brain processes the information, it determines what the output should be and passes the information to the muscle or organ that will generate the output. In this case it is the mouth which will produce the "ooo…" sound. (I omitted the details to make this short, it will be 3 pages long if I included them. This is already too long  ). The "ooo…," sound is what our brain tells the mouth to produce.  Besides that, suddenly generating a loud sound can attract attention. That is why people are more likely to pay attention to you when you shout at them  , provided they are not deaf. Although so, I do not recommend anyone to shout, you are more likely to be annoying them. |
|  | | Faizal_Ultra
Posts: 6 Join date: 2008-08-23 Age: 21
 | Subject: The royal answer to the Question? Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:36 pm | |
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|  | | Admin Admin
Posts: 67 Join date: 2007-12-05
 | Subject: Re: did you ever wonder... Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:49 pm | |
| good answers, renfoo and Faizal. to summarise what you both said:
like all evolutionarily successful species, we are born with innate abilities to perceive and react to potential danger.
these abilities arise as the result of external signals (information) being input into and processed by our nervous systems, thereby causing other signals (information) being sent to our motor systems (voice, muscles, etc).
hence, we are (biological) information processors. we are biological computers.
for more about this, see http://openocw.org/science/living-computers/PS i already did renfoo's experiment, when i played you the movie clip featuring part of Chas and Dave's comic song called "rabbit" - to rabbit is a slang expression, meaning to chatter endlessly about unimportant things. the lyrics of the whole song are very funny. |
|  | | Benedict
Posts: 1 Join date: 2008-08-25
 | Subject: why do we turn around and go "oooh" when we hear a bang behi Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:41 am | |
| I did not turn around immediately once the bang was heard. I did not go "oooh" either at first. What made me curious was why most of my classmates turned back and went "oooh". So I did turned back after few seconds after the bang. Not because of the fact that I heard the bang, but to keep up with the rest to check what happened so I would not feel left out. Who knows there might be a treasure box falling from nowhere right into CLT 1.17. I would have regret if I did not turn around to take a glimpse.  Well, that shows I am awake in the class. Or it is just everybody behaves or reacts differently. If there would be an explosion or anything hazardous, I guess I might be too late to even save my own life. That shows I am that slow. There are very interesting biological facts posted here on the forum itself relating us(human) to the computer. I would not be able to answer here in a biological way because I did not take biology in O, A level. Please do correct me if I do cause any confusion to you. Or I might be wrong. When the bang was heard, the ears of us collect these sound waves that were spreading through the air. And these sound waves are actually the vibrations caused by noise(the bang) when something(can be anything) collided or knocked against another. These vibrations are then funneled into our ear canal by our outer ears. As the vibrations move into your middle ear, they hit your eardrum and cause it to vibrate. So there is a chain reaction of vibrations. Hold on there!!! Our eardrum then vibrates the three smallest bones in our body. The first is the hammer, then the anvil and finally, the stirrup. The stirrup passes the vibrations into a coiled tube in the inner ear called the cochlea. The fluid-filled cochlea contains thousands of hair-like nerve endings called cilia. When the stirrup causes the fluid in the cochlea to vibrate, the cilia move. The cilia change the vibrations into messages that are sent to the brain via the auditory nerve.The auditory nerve carries messages from 25,000 receptors in our ear to our brain. Our brain then makes sense of the messages and tells us what sounds we are hearing. I need a break.  I get these facts from somewhere and I am being honest here. When comes to computer, it is more technical. The input is monitored, processed/analyzed in order to determine what is the output. So here, the input might be the noise. And the output would be shown on the monitor screen saying, "What happened? You should join the rest and take a look!" So we do behave almost similar to the computer. Instead of us being biological, the computer has its input device, output device, processors and all. Computer runs only with electricity. Is it save to say? And we, the humans, live only when our heart still beat, pump the blood throughout our body. What differ is the components in us and the computer. So we function almost similarly to the computer or the other way round. |
|  | | Student
Posts: 5 Join date: 2008-08-24
 | Subject: Did you ever wonder..... Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:14 am | |
| Hello.. I've posted my answers earlier on but i don't know why its gone. Its okay, here i will post my answers again. Why do we turn around when we hear a loud bang sound? Because we are curiousity. Human are always curious of something. Furthermore i will just answer some of the (sub-) questions given above. a) What kind of noises make you turn around? - Loud bang sound will obviously make me turn around especially in a very quiet place and where everyone is concentrate doing a particular work. Just like that day during class, everyone was concentrate listen to what Mr Brown explain then suddenly a loud bang sound come from the back of the class. Of course everyone will turn and find out what and where does the sound come from. b) What's the difference between biology and computing? - Here i would say Biology is the scientific law that control people's life whereas for computing is the activity of using and developing computer technology, computer hardware and software. c) What do biology and computing have in common? - For this question i don't know what they both have in common. Sorry.  |
|  | | Atiqah Rad
Posts: 1 Join date: 2008-08-25
 | Subject: Re: did you ever wonder... Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:43 am | |
| I find the questions on Dodo species quite interesting. i know there's an animal called dodo (thank you pokemon for extra knowledge haha) but i never knew it was extinct. Googled it up for informations and found out that.. "...the dodo was entirely fearless of people, and this, in combination with its flightlessness, made it easy prey.- wikipedia." It seems that they do not respond to danger unlike humans do so other animals such as pigs and monkeys destroyed dodo eggs and ofcourse no extinction will be complete without the act of human who slaughtered thousands of them. The Dodo species is just like a malfunctioned computer. They can't process a danger input to produce a fear output. Hence, it became extinct. |
|  | | Annie
Posts: 6 Join date: 2008-08-25
 | Subject: Re: did you ever wonder... Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:57 am | |
| Our hearing sense is sensitive, especially to any sudden noise in a silent environment. It is a natural instinct, just like animals for example the antelope. Once it hears a tiny crack of a twig, it will raise its head and be alert for lioness stalking it among the thick, dry savanna grass. As for us humans, we turn our heads and see what's all the commotion. It is our curiousity to know where is the source of the noise. It can be said that we are 'busybody' and we like to know who's getting into trouble..  |
|  | | Admin Admin
Posts: 67 Join date: 2007-12-05
 | Subject: Re: did you ever wonder... Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:19 am | |
| | Benedict wrote: | | I did not turn around immediately once the bang was heard. I did not go "oooh" either at first. What made me curious was why most of my classmates turned back and went "oooh". So I did turned back after few seconds after the bang. Not because of the fact that I heard the bang, but to keep up with the rest to check what happened so I would not feel left out. |
many species - including primates, dogs, most fish and most insects - are social animals. this means they live in groups.
being in a group has two survival advantages: 1. your friends can help you when you need it 2. by working together, you can accomplish much more than you could if you worked alone. imagine what the Olympics would be like if one person had to organise and build everything by themself!
so we naturally follow the group. you can see this most easily by considering what happens when someone laughs. even when we don't know why they are laughing, we find ourselves laughing too.
following the group is an innate stimulus-response behaviour. the stimulus is what the group is doing; the response is to do the same.
the connection between a stimulus and a response can be a very complex information processing process, involving the entire brain, drawing on innate structures, previous memories, desires, fears, etc, etc.
| Benedict wrote: | | Or it is just everybody behaves or reacts differently. |
there are small differences between individuals, but we have more things in common (about 99% of our genome). one thing we all have in common is that we think we are different from each other! we are "programmed" by our genes to notice small differences, because these are significant insofar as friend selection and mate selection are concerned.
| Pei wrote: | Here i would say Biology is the scientific law that control people's life whereas for computing is the activity of using and developing computer technology, computer hardware and software |
there are two kinds of "Law": 1. scientific theories, which describe what we think about how and why things happen. Eg Newton's Laws of motion, Darwin's theory of evolution, quantum theory, etc. 2. Human authority rules, which are intended to control people's behaviour. These include civil and religious laws and unwritten codes of behaviour tacitly accepted by a group.
scientific theories don't control our lives, but there are physical realities that do, which our "laws" attempt to describe. one of the most mysterious of these is the phenomenon of Gravity. Newton thought it was a "force acting at a distance" but he never was able to explain where this force came from. Einstein's theory of General Relativity hypothesises an influence of mass upon the curvature of space-time. thus far, his relationship seems to fit with experiment, but (as far as i know) no-one has yet come up with an explanation of why mass has has this effect.
human authority rule "laws" are not natural, they are artifacts created especially for the purpose of controlling people's behaviour - for the benefit of the authority that creates them.
machines, including computers, are artifacts that are built from our understanding of scientific theories, for the benefit of the people who create them.
thus, human authority rules treat people as if they were components of a machine, one designed to serve the interests of the authority that makes the rules.
in Europe, the revolution in France of 1789 changed that country's authority structure with the slogan "liberty, equality, fraternity" which was meant to express the principle that all citizens were equal and thereby that all people had equal authority.
in reality, people are not created all equal. some are strong, some are weak, etc etc. we are not clones. hence the "law of the jungle" of exploitative unequal hierarchical socities will continue to hold for humans until they evolve into a different kind of species.
| Atiqah wrote: | | The Dodo species is just like a malfunctioned computer |
not exactly. it was adequately functioned for the environment in which it evolved, which is why it wasn't extinct until 174 years after Portuguese explorers discovered it on some islands in the Indian Ocean [Bergman, 2005]. Prior to that time, there were people living on those islands, but they hadn't over-exploited it in the way the Europeans did.
North Atlantic fish were adequately functioned - until large scale fishing methods using machines almost emptied the sea of fish. people had to turn to farming fish to make up the loss of supply.
People were adequately functioned - until their environment changed because they so much over-exploited the supply of oil resources that their whole system fell apart when the oil ran out. Well, i am looking at this from a point in the future, you understand...
| Annie wrote: | | It can be said that we are 'busybody' and we like to know who's getting into trouble.. |
it's interesting that people are attracted to trouble falling on others. clearly, this is partly because, just like the antelope (which whom we share probably 75%+ of our genes), we need to watch out for trouble. but that doesn't fully explain why we seem to enjoy it, as in the popularity of disaster movies like "Titanic". and it's even more interesting that we are (mostly) only programmed to notice trouble when it comes, and don't spend much time thinking about ways of preventing it coming. hence the student syndrome!
it all suggests to me that we have a lot in common with the Dodo.
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